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New HXM printer with Fisher components

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PRZ
New HXM printer with Fisher components
January 14, 2016 08:46PM
Based on my experiences on the Fisher and the D-Box, I developed a new printer, the HXM (hexagon minimum) which is using the Fisher components. It was designed to be used with the Fisher mechanical kit, but with RRP closure, it does have lost some interest as it is now.

Its really usable space is diameter 170mm, 242mm height at center and 223 mm height at 170mm diameter. Base size is 320x370mm, with 500mm between plates. That is roughly twice the really usable volume of the fisher (which is 140mm diameter, ~90mm height at 140mm diameter and 180mm at center.
However, with the exact same parts, you could make another variant with 186mm diameter and a reduced height of 230mm at center and 208mm at 186mm diameter, but with a base increased to 340x380mm.



My aim was to:
- Having a more silent printer
- Having a part fan controlled by the board
- Got rid of all acrylic and fragile parts
- Few mechanical adjustement
- Being capable to enclose the printer later.
- Increase the printable dimensions




I have done like on the D-Box, with the kinematic positioning system moved from the bed to the effector. Globally the effector weight is increased by 10g (including balls), which is compensated by the lighter arms.
For the arms, I have not changed the winning team and they are made with M3 threaded rods. This is relatively light and super strong. I was capable to lift the printer (8kg naked) by its effector. Don't even try that with a Fisher, even if its weight is less than half that.
Please note that you can use this effector and carriages on a Fisher, without diameter loss, the height loss being compensated by the bed removal. The big advantage is that the Fisher bottom plate may be much more flat than the Fisher bed. The rod space is the Fisher 1 (42mm), but that could be modified.

The arms are made as on the D-Box, with balls in printed cups, maintained with tensioning wires. My experience showed that there is no need for high tension, so I used nylon wire instead of high grade Dyneema, and this is simpler to install and with elasticity of nylon, there is no need for springs. Tension is just made by adding knots on the wires.





There is no end stops for simplicity and reliability (while they could be installed). I stall the motors on the top support. That makes quite a bad noise while stalling, but precision is not that bad if you use a not too low current.

The difficulty of delta printer is positioning, so I use threaded rods to make the triangles. On the bottom, they could be cut after assembly (at least one to use the maximum diameter without conflict with the fan part duct).

The assembly is faster than the Fisher, but you have to do some woodwork before (quite easy) and modify and complete the wiring (fairly tedious).

Plastic parts are printed in PETG, and so, all components have been reinforced compared to the Fisher, because the PETG stiffness just above half of the PLA stiffness.

I have used two high quality Sunon 20x20x10 fans (5m3/h),supplied in 5V, which are extremely silent. They are not that powerful, but that seems to work. Hotend cooling is not perfect, but seems not worse than the Fisher, however, plastic parts are more exposed to heat (insulation is done with a plumbing fiber gasket).

This fan setup works, however you shall be very cautious while wiring them. Check and recheck polarity on the controlled fan, a mistake will burn the board (sending 19V on the 5V input cannot be nice) . It is safer to use 12V fans, but it needs a DC/DC converter.

- I simplified the already designed spool on top system, with no bearings neither any mechanical part. Its works better !


- I improved a bit the already designed extruder, with stiffer bearing holders. As I already experienced on the Fisher, a good position of the extruder is fairly difficult to establish. I tested 6 positions before settling on the final one. But this allow to use the original bowden tube of the Fisher ( I have to lengthen mine, which was reduced with my spool on top installation, but this extra-length is the original cutted part...).



Does it work ?
It is really the beginning, but for now, I don't see significant differences with the Fisher. I have not printed large parts, anyway.
As for the noise, there is a huge improvement. Indeed, it is a bit less noisy than the D-Box, which is enclosed. Enclosing it will improve noise, as everything is inside.



What are the drawbacks and compromises ?
- There is a bit more than twice the weight in plastic (total ~350 g), which translate in a bit less than twice the printing time (parts are globally more simple). They are printable on the Fisher, however I printed them on the D-Box, which is faster in PETG because of its hotend and controlled cooling, mostly with 0.3mm layers.
Total printing time ~16h on the D-box, maybe 20h on the Fisher.

- The fixation of the hotend on its support is improvable, indeed I redesigned somewhat this, but this is not yet tested.

- For weight and dimensions reasons, I have not used magnets to maintain the hotend like on the D-Box, instead I used rubbers cuts in bike tire tubes. This is less practical to install, but I find a reasonably easy way to do it. So, in case of mechanical trouble, that is not the hotend which is ejected, but the arms which pops out (I tested during commissioning...).

- You have to order a few stuff (2 fans, a diode, cables and connectors, some M3 screws, a larger buildtak, 25cm of bowden tube for filament inlet) and buy parts in DIY stores (wood, to be cut by the store for accuracy, M4 bolts and nuts, wood screws, M5 rods, M3 rods, rubber supports, nylon wire, aluminium sheet for board shielding), for a total which may not exceed 50 euros.

- Alas, like on the Fisher, you will not escape to do some manual calibration as the offset on the calibration points is not constant, because on the center, you are using 3 belts and near columns, mainly one belt is used, so the offset is larger on the periphery (this is in reverse of the Fisher, where offset is larger at center due to spring loads). But with recent version of DC42 fork, it is a bit easier to do, but a procedure have to be written.

- The effector plug installation is really messy. On the D-box, I wired directly to the board and find it much more simple, with minimal drawback as the route is direct and so wire replacement easy. The best installation may be to use a sleeve instead of zip-ties to group independent cables.

Ah, and printing directly on melaminated chip board did not work, even with glue. So buildtak or other special surface is not an option.
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PRZ
Re: New HXM printer with Fisher components
January 14, 2016 09:04PM
A few more photos .
Note that you can see a full set of photos here :
[rouzeau.net]

Preliminary assembly


A photo of the motors and rubber stop for stalling the carriage


Effector viewed from top


Top without spool


And the test ! Lifting 8kg of printer by its effector. Who do need carbon rods while M3 steel rod do it ?


The HXM aside the D-Box. A bit smaller, no ? (D-Box usable space is diam 300mm x height 400mm)


Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/14/2016 09:52PM by PRZ.
Re: New HXM printer with Fisher components
January 15, 2016 03:10AM
Looks interesting! I experimented with having no endstops on a delta a few months ago. I reduced the motor current in homedelta.g during homing so as to reduce stalling forces and noise. There is an uncertainty of about 0.2mm in the carriage positions after homing, but auto calibrating after homing takes care of that.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], E3D tool changer, Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
PRZ
Re: New HXM printer with Fisher components
January 15, 2016 05:23AM
I initially had some problems with the stalling. While the current is too low, the stepper got difficulties to re-grip after stalling and there was very violent rebounds. Thats while installing endstops on the D-Box that I found the cause.
Now with a bit higher values (minimum 450mA on the HXM), that is ok.
Anyway, I had to increase to 600 mA because of some hard points in carriage movements.
Also, if there are endstops plugged, even when deactivated with M574 X0 Y0 Z0 the movement is stopped.

The uncertainty of the fisher endstop wasn't better than 0.2 and the system foreseen for the HXM endstops will not be either.
However, I had to makes tests to know the repeatability of the stalling.
The drawbacks are the really bad noise while stalling and also the repeated traction on the belt, which may dislodge the belt locking (I used the same system as on Fisher, both for D-Box and HXM, and that may slip on D_Box, which have more powerful steppers).
Re: New HXM printer with Fisher components
January 15, 2016 06:41AM
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PRZ
Also, if there are endstops plugged, even when deactivated with M574 X0 Y0 Z0 the movement is stopped.

That's easy to fix, just replace the G1 S1 commands in homedelta.g by G1 S2.



Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], E3D tool changer, Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod

Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
PRZ
Re: New HXM printer with Fisher components
January 16, 2016 08:48PM
So I published on Github the details of this printer.
There are :

* OpenScad files
* STL files
* Additive BOM (extra component to the Fisher delta)
* Assembly and commissioning manual
* Configuration files for the Duet

OpenScad and STL files are in multiple directory :

[github.com] HXM-delta-printer
[github.com] 3D-printer-spool-on-top
[github.com] Geared-Extruder
The general presentation and updated page on my site, with better view than in a forum : [rouzeau.net]
And the gallery, that I have to sort by theme : [rouzeau.net]

It is using the OpenScad delta simulator [github.com] OpenSCAD-Delta-Simulator
as the engine running the printer simulation
And what is shown by the simulator :


PRZ
Re: New 'Lily' printer with Fisher components
April 07, 2016 05:55PM
Since January, I've enclosed the printer and I am also preparing a 'from scratch' version with Hexagon hotend.
I renamed the printer 'Lily F' , with Lily being the generic name for the wooden box form factor, which will be used with different mechanics.
Yet GitHub address is unchanged : [github.com]

I updated photo album here : [rouzeau.net]
and my web page : [rouzeau.net]

There is an option to set a sort of stool with spool below printer.
In that case, you may use the direct drive extruder I developed here : [github.com] [rouzeau.net]



I updated the OpenScad program with accessories and box.

I also increased the wire tension which eliminated banding I had on large diameter parts.I now use 16kg fishing nylon wire.

[edit] I found that spool support with vertical axis tend to make filament loops crossing by falling under gravity and making knots. So for now, I think that it is better to install spool on a spigot, even if it is less elegant. See [rouzeau.net]

I made a small film with resistance test (me climbing on the printer while printing) here : [github.com]
At the end, I made an emergency stop to get the start up motor music as described here: [reprap.org]

For the record, I weight a bit more than 70kg and I get this test idea on a Thomas Sanladerer review (at 10:25): [www.youtube.com]

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 04/07/2016 06:06PM by PRZ.
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