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Help please Z Axis

Posted by Thereaper 
Help please Z Axis
November 30, 2017 04:58PM
Hi all
newbie to this 3D printing ive bought one of the Pursa i3 clones here

got it for £100 ive done a few upgrades one being changing the Zaxis 8mm threaded rods to these

ive been on the prusa calculator for changing the steps 1600 it came up with put that in but the prints still coming out very wrong Height wise,seem the nozzle is lifting to high for each layer.
tried a trial piece that should of only been 30mm came out a mess mass of filament but at 6inchs high lol
i have the Neema 17 steppers 17HDC4023-24B
where and wot do i change on the lcd to put this right?

im also thinking of putting marlin on it is there much to do or anything specific i need its 2560 Rev A board white not checked the chip yet
Re: Help please Z Axis
November 30, 2017 05:19PM
You have to also take into account the number of starts, not just the pitch of 2mm

Lead: 8mm (4 start, 8mm per turn)

for 1.8 degree stepper, 1/16 micro stepping and 8mm per rotation you get

(((360/1.8) * (1/(1/16)))/8) = 400 steps/mm

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2017 05:21PM by Dust.
Re: Help please Z Axis
November 30, 2017 05:45PM
hmm so any idea where i put this info i did flick through the LCD and find zstep/mm it had 2560 something for the 8mm threaded rods. is this where i put the 400,
the other problem is where i changed the Zsteps/mm from the 2560 to wot i thought was right (1600) it reverts back to the 2560 again.
is there something im missing!!
Re: Help please Z Axis
November 30, 2017 06:03PM
yes your missing a pc, running some sort of control program (eg pronterface)

you either update the setting in firmware and then upload the new firmware (which you probably dont have as most supplier dont give it to you, even though they have to its part of the T&C for using the firmware...)

Or you connect a pc to the controller and send the commands
"M92 Z400" set set the Z steps/mm
"M500" store the value in eeprom. If you eeprom enabled.

But this can vary, depending on what firmware you using.

There is also a 3rd option, you just add "M92 Z400" to your gcode start file in your sliceing program, but this is a nasty kludge and not recommended

Looks like it might be a makerbot clone running sailfish firmware... so all bets are off (alll things makerbot is the devil from reprap point of view)

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 11/30/2017 06:10PM by Dust.
Re: Help please Z Axis
December 01, 2017 03:27AM
im using repetier host on my pc that its connected to,when its connected i get this info on the log screen below says marlin!!

11:16:16.833 : OpenGL version:3.3.0
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GL_ARB_internalformat_query2 GL_ARB_invalidate_subdata GL_ARB_map_buffer_alignment GL_ARB_map_buffer_range GL_ARB_multi_bind GL_ARB_multisample GL_ARB_multitexture GL_ARB_occlusion_query GL_ARB_occlusion_query2 GL_ARB_pixel_buffer_object GL_ARB_point_parameters GL_ARB_point_sprite GL_ARB_program_interface_query GL_ARB_provoking_vertex GL_ARB_robust_buffer_access_behavior GL_ARB_robustness GL_ARB_sampler_objects GL_ARB_seamless_cube_map GL_ARB_separate_shader_objects GL_ARB_shader_bit_encoding GL_ARB_shader_objects GL_ARB_shader_texture_lod GL_ARB_shading_language_100 GL_ARB_shading_language_420pack GL_ARB_shading_language_include GL_ARB_shading_language_packing GL_ARB_shadow GL_ARB_stencil_texturing GL_ARB_sync GL_ARB_texture_border_clamp GL_ARB_texture_buffer_object GL_ARB_texture_buffer_range GL_ARB_texture_compression GL_ARB_texture_compression_rgtc GL_ARB_texture_cube_map GL_ARB_texture_env_add GL_ARB_texture_env_combine GL_ARB_texture_env_crossbar GL_ARB_texture_env_dot3 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11:16:16.833 : OpenGL renderer:GeForce G 105M/PCIe/SSE2
11:16:16.833 : Using fast VBOs for rendering is possible
11:16:36.233 : Printer reset detected - initalizing
11:16:36.295 : start
11:16:36.295 : echo:Marlin1.0.0
11:16:36.295 : echo: Last Updated: Jan 4 2016 19:03:56 | Author: (John, default config)
11:16:36.295 : Compiled: Jan 4 2016
11:16:36.295 : echo: Free Memory: 3795 PlannerBufferBytes: 1232
11:16:36.295 : echo:Hardcoded Default Settings Loaded
11:16:36.295 : echoconfused smileyteps per unit:
11:16:36.295 : echo: M92 X78.74 Y78.74 Z2560.00 E105.00
11:16:36.295 : echo:Maximum feedrates (mm/s):
11:16:36.295 : echo: M203 X400.00 Y400.00 Z2.00 E45.00
11:16:36.295 : echo:Maximum Acceleration (mm/s2):
11:16:36.295 : echo: M201 X1400 Y1400 Z100 E80000
11:16:36.295 : echo:Acceleration: S=acceleration, T=retract acceleration
11:16:36.295 : echo: M204 S1400.00 T5000.00
11:16:36.295 : echo:Advanced variables: S=Min feedrate (mm/s), T=Min travel feedrate (mm/s), B=minimum segment time (ms), X=maximum XY jerk (mm/s), Z=maximum Z jerk (mm/s), E=maximum E jerk (mm/s)
11:16:36.295 : echo: M205 S0.00 T0.00 B20000 X13.50 Z0.30 E5.00
11:16:36.295 : echo:Home offset (mm):
11:16:36.295 : echo: M206 X0.00 Y0.00 Z0.00
11:16:36.295 : echotongue sticking out smileyID settings:
11:16:36.295 : echo: M301 P19.86 I1.00 D98.93
11:16:37.577 : echoconfused smileyD card ok
11:16:37.642 : FIRMWARE_NAME:Marlin V1; Sprinter/grbl mashup for gen6 FIRMWARE_URL:[firmware.ultimaker.com] PROTOCOL_VERSION:1.0 MACHINE_TYPE:I3 Pro B EXTRUDER_COUNT:1 UUID:00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
11:16:37.830 : X:0.00 Y:0.00 Z:0.00 E:0.00 Count X: 0.00 Y:0.00 Z:0.00
11:16:37.830 : echo:Active Extruder: 0
11:16:37.830 : Begin file list
11:16:37.830 : BATTER~1.GCO
11:16:37.830 : 20V_DE~1.GCO
11:16:37.845 : End file list
11:16:37.845 : Begin file list
11:16:37.845 : BATTER~1.GCO
11:16:37.845 : 20V_DE~1.GCO
11:16:37.845 : End file list
11:16:37.861 : echo:Active Extruder: 0

so do you think i allready have Marlin on there ? should i try and update marlin?
Thanks in Advance
Re: Help please Z Axis
December 01, 2017 08:51AM
Also make sure there are 3 jumpers under the driver board(s)
Re: Help please Z Axis
December 01, 2017 09:06AM
Repetier host has a built in eeprom editor, you can change the Zsteps/mm and Z max feedrate via that editor
Re: Help please Z Axis
December 01, 2017 09:29AM
yeah there are 3 jumpers in place! so does that mean i can upgrade the firmware?or is that so i can just change the steps
Re: Help please Z Axis
December 01, 2017 09:35AM
Repetier host has a built in eeprom editor, you can change the Zsteps/mm and Z max feedrate via that editor
yeah been having a play about today as ive been off work smiling smiley found out there was aeeprom editor after reading through the forum for over an hr lol
trouble is it reverts back everytime the machine is switched off .is there a way to write this to the eeprom ive saved my original settings.

ive also done a few test pieces and had a vast improvement on my prints seems to have gotten rid of the Z ribbing ..

next upgrade im hoping is autobed leveling is it possible with what ive got
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