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Posted by Sardi 
2 issues
March 04, 2017 06:36AM
1) I have the same problem I had couple of years back, the middle of the bed (x100y100) the nozzle touches the bed at +0.1mm.

The x0y100 and x180y100 are the same, the nozzle touches the bed at 0.0mm.
I have Daveks aluminium X plate so thats not the issue.
I have also noticed that the +0.1 actually goes from x20y100 to x170y100, so almost the whole length of the bed.

Could it be sligthly bent rod?

2) I set Z0.0 at x0y100. I do the print. When I want to do a second print, the x0y100 is almost never at 0.0, either +/- 0.1, I must re-check every time before a print.

EDIT: I have raised the Z to +40, when I lowered it back down the 0.0 was +0.8 from the bed.

Any ideas what can cause this?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/04/2017 07:32AM by Sardi.
Re: 2 issues
March 04, 2017 09:59AM
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Sardi

EDIT: I have raised the Z to +40, when I lowered it back down the 0.0 was +0.8 from the bed.

Any ideas what can cause this?

Sounds like the axis is losing steps on the drive, check the moving parts for stiffness, lubricate the Z nut maybe, possibly increase z axis motor current


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Re: 2 issues
March 05, 2017 01:56AM
Hi Davek,

Moving parts all stiff!
Z nut lubricated!

All thats left is the increase in current, but I need to google that smiling smiley

EDIT: Just found out its in my config.g file .. but how much should I increase it?

EDIT2: M906 X800 Y1000 Z800 E800 ; Set motor currents (mA) - im thinking about increasing in intervals of 50 then check if it skips ...

Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 03/05/2017 05:57AM by Sardi.
Re: 2 issues
March 05, 2017 07:03AM
If the z on yours can be lifted off the nut, it should glide up and down very smoothly, no sticky spots.

Is there a chance the nut is worn and jamming?

Someone else will have to offer help with motor currents as i have not changed these but i think steps of 100mA will be good to try, I just do not know the upper limit.


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Re: 2 issues
March 05, 2017 08:17AM
I think Im gonna change the rod and the nut altogether.

Regarding currents, I will not go higher than 1000, since that is the current for X so I assume 1000 is ok for Y motor as well.
Re: 2 issues
March 05, 2017 08:58AM
I used to run my Z motor at 900 if that helps


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Re: 2 issues
March 05, 2017 09:37AM
Everything helps winking smiley

My next tryout will be at 900 winking smiley
Re: 2 issues
March 06, 2017 03:59AM
The apparent difference between the bed height in X at the centre compared with the edges may be due to the force of the Bowden tube tilting the head slightly. Try disconnecting the Bowden tube from the extruder and see if that makes a difference, or clip the extruder on a different place on the X-arm.

Dave
Re: 2 issues
March 09, 2017 01:19AM
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Sardi
2) I set Z0.0 at x0y100. I do the print. When I want to do a second print, the x0y100 is almost never at 0.0, either +/- 0.1, I must re-check every time before a print.

EDIT: I have raised the Z to +40, when I lowered it back down the 0.0 was +0.8 from the bed.

Any ideas what can cause this?

I have tested the motor currents to solve this with no avail.

Could the accelerations and speeds maybe help with this?

M201 X800 Y800 Z15 E1000            ; Accelerations (mm/s^2)

M203 X15000 Y15000 Z100 E3600       ; Maximum speeds (mm/min)

M566 X600 Y600 Z30 E20              ; Minimum speeds mm/minute

This is my current config.g.
Re: 2 issues
March 09, 2017 07:48AM
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Sardi
2) I set Z0.0 at x0y100. I do the print. When I want to do a second print, the x0y100 is almost never at 0.0, either +/- 0.1, I must re-check every time before a print.

EDIT: I have raised the Z to +40, when I lowered it back down the 0.0 was +0.8 from the bed.

Any ideas what can cause this?

I had something similar happening when I had a problem with the gear on the Z motor. It cracked or lost its grip on the motor shaft for some other reason, I can't remember the details. I printed a new gear and that fixed it.


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Re: 2 issues
March 26, 2017 05:34AM
I got myself a new rod, and printed out iamburneys gears for the Z motor - still Im having the same problem.

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Sardi
2) I set Z0.0 at x0y100. I do the print. When I want to do a second print, the x0y100 is almost never at 0.0, either +/- 0.1, I must re-check every time before a print.

Im back to default currents M906 X800 Y1000 Z800.

Next on my mind are the acceleration speeds, could they cause my problem?
Re: 2 issues
March 27, 2017 10:29AM
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Sardi
Next on my mind are the acceleration speeds, could they cause my problem?

You might try reducing the maximum Z speed rather than acceleration, although if the default is causing the motor to skip, I suspect it is a bad Z rod or nut.

Dave
Re: 2 issues
March 27, 2017 01:44PM
I just printed a brand new set of iamburneys Z motor gears (the print was in perfect quality), and changed the rod - and still have the same problem.
It does not happen every time, but it does.

I will try changing the nut though.

Z max speed is 100mm/min and minimum speed 30mm/min.

Hmm, maybe if the Z nut trap is a bit off, and pushes the rod away from center and causing it to miss steps? Im just shooting blanks here now ..
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