Adding Extruder
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Adding Extruder February 10, 2016 08:56AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 10, 2016 09:23AM |
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Hi,
Yes the expansion board is needed.
Here is the link to reprap pro documentation to add multi materials to your printer [reprappro.com]
Chris
Supporting 3D Printers with Parts and Build services.
Printer: Ormerod 2 (528.4) Duel extruder set-up with Aluminium X-Rib, RRPro Firmware v1.11-ch (2016-04-08)
Yes the expansion board is needed.
Here is the link to reprap pro documentation to add multi materials to your printer [reprappro.com]
Chris
Supporting 3D Printers with Parts and Build services.
Printer: Ormerod 2 (528.4) Duel extruder set-up with Aluminium X-Rib, RRPro Firmware v1.11-ch (2016-04-08)
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Re: Adding Extruder February 10, 2016 10:22AM |
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You need one of the following:
1. Duet Shield. Used to be manufactured by RepRapPro. There may still be a few for sale.
2. DueX4 expansion board from Think3DPrint3D.
3. Duet 0.8.5 from Think3DPrint3d to replace your Duet 0.6.
(3) is the neatest solution unless you think you may want a 3rd extruder, but is probably also the most expensive.
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1. Duet Shield. Used to be manufactured by RepRapPro. There may still be a few for sale.
2. DueX4 expansion board from Think3DPrint3D.
3. Duet 0.8.5 from Think3DPrint3d to replace your Duet 0.6.
(3) is the neatest solution unless you think you may want a 3rd extruder, but is probably also the most expensive.
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Re: Adding Extruder February 12, 2016 05:57AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 12, 2016 01:19PM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 12, 2016 01:37PM |
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The DueX4 has its own 12V input connector. The wires between that and the one on the Duet should be as short and thick as possible.
See my blog entry at [miscsolutions.wordpress.com] for info on connecting the Duet and the X4. However, you can ignore the bit about modifying the X4 because the newer X4 boards have an AGND jumper wire that you use to avoid the thermistor noise issue.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2016 01:38PM by dc42.
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See my blog entry at [miscsolutions.wordpress.com] for info on connecting the Duet and the X4. However, you can ignore the bit about modifying the X4 because the newer X4 boards have an AGND jumper wire that you use to avoid the thermistor noise issue.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/12/2016 01:38PM by dc42.
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Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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Re: Adding Extruder February 15, 2016 08:41AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 17, 2016 06:32AM |
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Hi again guys,
So I have received my Duex4 from Think3DPrint3D and wired it up according to David's blog. Next I am going to power the board and was looking to power it straight from the Duet. Therefore I noticed there was an unused terminal next to the input terminal for the PSU that has 12V across it and was wondering whether this is designed for the expansion board or not? It lies on the regulator board?
So I have received my Duex4 from Think3DPrint3D and wired it up according to David's blog. Next I am going to power the board and was looking to power it straight from the Duet. Therefore I noticed there was an unused terminal next to the input terminal for the PSU that has 12V across it and was wondering whether this is designed for the expansion board or not? It lies on the regulator board?
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Re: Adding Extruder February 18, 2016 08:32AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 18, 2016 09:57AM |
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The shield is mechanically more convenient to fit IMO because it fits on top of the Duet. However, on some shields RRP didn't use a pass-through connector, which makes it hard to connect a PanelDue or anything else to the expansion connector.
The DueX4 has two more hot end and extruder drives than the shield.
My dual extrusion Ormerod is powered by a 12V 25A LED power supply.
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The DueX4 has two more hot end and extruder drives than the shield.
My dual extrusion Ormerod is powered by a 12V 25A LED power supply.
Large delta printer [miscsolutions.wordpress.com], E3D tool changer, Robotdigg SCARA printer, Crane Quad and Ormerod
Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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Re: Adding Extruder February 18, 2016 11:36AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 18, 2016 11:44AM |
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Worth mentioning that another possibility is to replace your Duet 0.6 by a Duet 0.8.5, then you don't need and expansion board at all for dual extrusion. OTOH the expansion boards support triple extrusion and more.
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Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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Re: Adding Extruder February 24, 2016 01:16PM |
Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 23 |
Hi guys,
Seen some of the posts and now considering buying a new PSU for my Duet 0.6 + Duex4 setup. Was hoping to get an opinion on one I have found (similar to the one dc42 mentioned).
[www.ebay.co.uk] - 12V 25A supply.
Would this work fine with my Ormerod 2 and still provide sufficient power to my setup?
Seen some of the posts and now considering buying a new PSU for my Duet 0.6 + Duex4 setup. Was hoping to get an opinion on one I have found (similar to the one dc42 mentioned).
[www.ebay.co.uk] - 12V 25A supply.
Would this work fine with my Ormerod 2 and still provide sufficient power to my setup?
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Re: Adding Extruder February 24, 2016 02:17PM |
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Re: Adding Extruder February 25, 2016 07:49AM |
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Fpex
Can you power the duet4x with a second supply?
There is no need for it and in my eyes one power supply is more comfortable.
Slicer: Simplify3D 4.0; sometimes CraftWare 1.14 or Cura 2.7
Delta with Duet-WiFi, FW: 1.20.1RC2; mini-sensor board by dc42 for auto-leveling
Ormerod common modifications: Mini-sensor board by dc42, aluminum X-arm, 0.4 mm nozzle E3D like, 2nd fan, Z stepper nut M5 x 15, Herringbone gears, Z-axis bearing at top, spring loaded extruder with pneumatic fitting, Y belt axis tensioner
Ormerod 2: FW: 1.19-dc42 on Duet-WiFi. own build, modifications: GT2-belts, silicone heat-bed, different motors and so on. Printed parts: bed support, (PSU holder) and Y-feet.
Ormerod 1: FW: 1.15c-dc42 on 1k Duet-Board. Modifications: Aluminium bed-support, (nearly) all parts reprinted in PLA/ ABS, and so on.
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Re: Adding Extruder February 25, 2016 07:49AM |
Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 1,699 |
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Fpex
Can you power the duet4x with a second supply?
There is no need for it and in my eyes one power supply is more comfortable.
Slicer: Simplify3D 4.0; sometimes CraftWare 1.14 or Cura 2.7
Delta with Duet-WiFi, FW: 1.20.1RC2; mini-sensor board by dc42 for auto-leveling
Ormerod common modifications: Mini-sensor board by dc42, aluminum X-arm, 0.4 mm nozzle E3D like, 2nd fan, Z stepper nut M5 x 15, Herringbone gears, Z-axis bearing at top, spring loaded extruder with pneumatic fitting, Y belt axis tensioner
Ormerod 2: FW: 1.19-dc42 on Duet-WiFi. own build, modifications: GT2-belts, silicone heat-bed, different motors and so on. Printed parts: bed support, (PSU holder) and Y-feet.
Ormerod 1: FW: 1.15c-dc42 on 1k Duet-Board. Modifications: Aluminium bed-support, (nearly) all parts reprinted in PLA/ ABS, and so on.
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Re: Adding Extruder February 25, 2016 09:22AM |
Registered: 8 years ago Posts: 23 |
Sorry in case it was unclear, I meant the new power supply for the whole setup not just for the expansion board. So the supply would be used for everything and replace the one supplied. Or do you guys feel the one supplied ( I think it's 12V 3.5A) is more than enough for the duet and duex4?
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Re: Adding Extruder February 25, 2016 09:26AM |
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I believe the Ormerod 2 is supplied with a 12V 20A PSU. For dual extrusion I suggest 12V 25A or higher. If you plan to turn up the voltage to make the bed heat up faster, go for at least 12V 30A.
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Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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Re: Adding Extruder February 25, 2016 09:36AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder March 16, 2016 10:24AM |
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So I have got my power supply (12V/30A) connected up to my RepRap. Since then I have also wired up my Duex4 and it seems to work with my thermocouples which is great, however the Z-probe doesnt seem to work now. I have reverted back to the Duet by itself and the Z-probe works, so there must be something wrong with my ribbon cable or the pins on the duex4? I am unsure.
I am using the same named pins as the Duet in AD12 and AD14 on the Duex4 expansion header. Does anyone know what this problem might be? Also the heated bed doesn't really seem to heat up any faster does this indicate something also?
I am using the same named pins as the Duet in AD12 and AD14 on the Duex4 expansion header. Does anyone know what this problem might be? Also the heated bed doesn't really seem to heat up any faster does this indicate something also?
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Re: Adding Extruder March 16, 2016 07:10PM |
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If you have the Duet 0.2a board and you are using it with a Duet 0.6, make sure that you don't have the VSSA jumper fitted on the DueX4, and you do have the flying lead connecting the VSSA pin on the X4 to VSSA on the Duet.
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Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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Re: Adding Extruder March 17, 2016 05:26AM |
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Thanks dc42 I'll have a look, but when I bought my Duex4 there was no flying lead supplied? Is this something that should have been supplied by think3dprint3d or will I have to buy one separately?
I think the duex4 currently has a 2-pin jumper on which I have left since it was supplied with it on.
I think the duex4 currently has a 2-pin jumper on which I have left since it was supplied with it on.
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Re: Adding Extruder March 17, 2016 07:50AM |
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See [blog.think3dprint3d.com]. Unless you bought your DueX4 a very long time ago, it should be a 0.2a board and according to that link, the fly lead should be included.
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Re: Adding Extruder March 17, 2016 09:18AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder March 17, 2016 10:22AM |
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With the VSSA jumper in place, AD12 is shorted to ground, so the Z probe won't work. So you need to remove the jumper; but then the thermistors attached to the DueX4 won't work until you install the flylead.
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Disclosure: I design Duet electronics and work on RepRapFirmware, [duet3d.com].
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Re: Adding Extruder March 20, 2016 05:03AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder March 25, 2016 08:46AM |
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Re: Adding Extruder March 25, 2016 06:07PM |
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I have just checked the DueX4 0.2a schematic and I can see the problem. The DueX4 0.2a does not make pin AD12 available on the expansion connector. However, it is available on the 2-way jumper block. So you need to move the proximity sensor modulation wire from pin 12 on the expansion connector to the 2-way jumper block - the pin that is not occupied by the VSSA flylead. Alternatively, use a height sensor like my mini differential IR one that doesn't need the modulation signal.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2016 06:07PM by dc42.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/25/2016 06:07PM by dc42.
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Re: Adding Extruder March 28, 2016 05:25AM |
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dc42
I have just checked the DueX4 0.2a schematic and I can see the problem. The DueX4 0.2a does not make pin AD12 available on the expansion connector. However, it is available on the 2-way jumper block. So you need to move the proximity sensor modulation wire from pin 12 on the expansion connector to the 2-way jumper block - the pin that is not occupied by the VSSA flylead. Alternatively, use a height sensor like my mini differential IR one that doesn't need the modulation signal.
Great that seems to work now. Thanks for your help dc42.
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Re: Adding Extruder January 04, 2017 05:37AM |
Registered: 9 years ago Posts: 5 |
I have a Duet Shield for sale that will fit the Duet 0.6
I have no way of testing whether this board still works, so I'm selling it for 'spare parts only' for £10 plus £2.80 postage
It also comes with the enhanced 5V regulator that has the extra connectors to power both boards
Anyone interested?
I have no way of testing whether this board still works, so I'm selling it for 'spare parts only' for £10 plus £2.80 postage
It also comes with the enhanced 5V regulator that has the extra connectors to power both boards
Anyone interested?
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