Welcome! Log In Create A New Profile


Twisting wires not always needed?

Posted by Garry Bartsch 
Twisting wires not always needed?
June 12, 2014 11:55AM
I am looking at build guides for RAMPS based systems, pictures of RAMPS systems and pre-made wiring kits for RAMPS systems. The guides I have found so far and the pictures I have seen do not seems to call for/show twisting the stepper motor wires in pairs as the Mendel90 build manual has.

If twisting the wires is necessary how are they getting away without doing so?

And even stepper motors with connectors already attached don't have twisted wires: Stepper Wires not Twisted

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2014 12:16PM by Garry Bartsch.
Re: Twisting wires not always needed?
June 12, 2014 01:47PM
Do those systems run other wires parallel to and in close proximity to the stepper motor wires? If they don't then it doesn't matter, since the aim of twisting is to reduce the induced current in signal-carrying wires nearby.
Re: Twisting wires not always needed?
June 12, 2014 02:29PM
Never even heard of such a thing being need or that being why some wires are twisted..
Goes to show it doesn't make a general difference. I'm sure there are times and places where it will, though.

Realizer- One who realizes dreams by making them a reality either by possibility or by completion. Also creating or renewing hopes of dreams.
"keep in mind, even the best printer can not print with the best filament if the user is the problem." -Ohmarinus
Re: Twisting wires not always needed?
June 12, 2014 03:59PM
Twisting the wires makes shore there is not a big gap between the two wires. If there is no gap then the magnetic fields around the two wires will cancel each other out.... If you dont do this and leave the wires flapping around in the breeze with a big gap between the two wires a big magnetic field will be produced. As the current in the wires is changing lots the magnetic field will be changing quickly. That is how a radio transmitter works... a wire with a fast changing current in it. So your machine will work just fine... but the next door family will wonder why there TV reception just got worse.

Its not good to go around creating unplanned radio transmitters... it just takes a bit of twisting to make the problem go away.

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/12/2014 04:57PM by ElectroWomble.
Re: Twisting wires not always needed?
June 13, 2014 02:33AM
Most texts describing the use of twisted pair concentrate on its use as a means to reduce the effect of external noise on a signal. This is particularly of benefit to differential signalling where common-mode noise can be removed at the receiver.

In the case of stepper motor wiring we are not dealing with received signals but this method can be applied to reduce emissions. The logic here is that the electromagnetic fields generated in the wires are opposing (due to current flow being in opposite directions) and the twist results in the fields cancelling each other.

Nophead's suggestion that all wire pairs on the Mendel90 are twisted is simply good engineering practice. There is an old saying that goes "Why spoil the ship for a half-penny of tar?". I believe it applies to this case.

Neil Darlow

I try to write with consideration for all nationalities. Please let me know if something is unclear.
Printing with Mendel90 from fedora 25 using Cura, FreeCAD, MeshLab, OpenSCAD, Skeinforge and Slic3r tools.
Re: Twisting wires not always needed?
June 13, 2014 10:02AM
Thanks all. The information you give is just what I needed. I want to build machines with as few weak links as possible. I will definitely twist the pairs in any future builds.
Re: Twisting wires not always needed?
March 05, 2018 01:26PM
An old thread but I wonder if the new TMC 2130 chips that use current monitoring mean that they are more susceptable to noise? I'm just coming up to speed with my first printer using the Watterott silentsteps and I'm thinking of twisting the pairs.
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.

Click here to login