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Sanguinololu power problem

Posted by Ebdac 
Sanguinololu power problem
October 01, 2016 02:21AM
Hello,
I have a problem with my Sanguinololu 1.3a based printer. It seems to not take power from the power supply for some reason. It takes power from usb just fine and everything lights up but as soon as I plug in the power supply everything goes dark and nothing works. I wanted to reroute the power to make it go through wires instead of the board pathways (I suspect conductivity problems on the board), but I have no clue how to do that correctly and which pins to connect with each other.

Does anyone have any idea what might be the cause of the problem, or have any other ideas how I can fix this?

Power supply is working correctly.

Ebdac
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 01, 2016 11:45AM
Probably it's just the LM7805 regulator that needs to be replaced.

Note that the Sanguinololu is known to have issues related to the 5V input when both USB and 12V are connected, see here. I have added 2 Schottky diodes to resolve the problem, as explained here.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 03, 2016 08:06AM
Thank you for your answer. To be fair I am completely unexperienced when it comes to such electronics so it's pretty difficult for me to repair.

I will try to check if my mosfets work and will update soon.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 04, 2016 08:27AM
I checked the mosfet according to this video

[www.youtube.com]

And it works exactly as shown in the video...
Of course what I meant in the beginning is that the board doesn't take the power from the AC no matter the fact USB is connected or not.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 05, 2016 05:24AM
From your description I assumed the problem is with the 5V, so I don't see what the MOSFETs have to do with it.

Do you have 5V on the 5V pin when only 12V input is connected?
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 05, 2016 08:24AM
Do you mean this pin? There is nothing there.

Now something strange happened, when I was trying to check the voltage on the pins the board came to live when the switch is on the off position... I have no idea what happened.
I am scared something will break like this...
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Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 05, 2016 12:27PM
Quote
Ebdac
Do you mean this pin? There is nothing there.

Yes, that one too should have 5V. But it's much easier to access the "5V" pin on the very lower left corner in your picture, or also the "5V" pin on the EXT header, 2 positions to the left of your arrow.

Quote
Ebdac
Now something strange happened, when I was trying to check the voltage on the pins the board came to live when the switch is on the off position... I have no idea what happened.
I am scared something will break like this...

Which switch are you refering to? The 12V power supply switch? If the USB was connected, this might again be related to a faulty LM7805 or to the 5V bug mentioned in the wiki.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 05, 2016 02:07PM
Ok so let me clear some things.

So again nothing works as in the beginning.
I thought mosfet was the same as the regulator You mentioned, which is obviously stupid.

Consider I have at all times the USB cable disconnected.

My 12V power supply has a light, when its just connected to the socket it glows orange, when I flip the switch in between power supply and the board (with board disconnected) it glows green and the cables give 12V (tested with multimeter).
When I connect the 12V power supply to the board and than flip the switch, the light on the 12V supply disappears instead of turning green and all connections have 0V. Every time this happens I quickly disconnect power supply in case something is very wrong.

Tomorrow I should be able to get new regulator and I will see if that's the problem.

Edit 1:
And thank You so much for you help so far!

Edit 2:
I managed to check the regulator and it has 0V output with 12V input so it is somehow broken. I will try to get new one tomorrow and see if that will resolve the problem!

Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2016 02:23PM by Ebdac.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 07, 2016 02:04AM
If the light on your 12V goes out, it means that you probably have a short somwhere, so that the over-current protection of the PS switches the PS off.

Have you measured the resistance between 12V and GND on the Sanguinololu board? I have had 2 Sanguinololu boards which were not well etched and had some copper traces shorting between 12V and GND. Once I found them and cut them with a sharp knife, everything worked well. It is also possible to have a short from bad soldering of the pins. I suggest that you take a magnifier glass and inspect your Sanguinololu carefully.

Have you tested the 7805 while on the board or after desoldering it? When you desolder it, you will also find out if it was causing the short or not.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 07, 2016 08:16AM
My lack of knowledge is making this so hard to fix... My printer was working for over a year until this happened so I don't think that board fault would come up after so much time?

I have bought 2 new regulators but I'm suspecting I bought wrong ones... I bought LM7805CT and they don't work for me for some reason, are they wrong?
On my board I have L7805CV but couldn't find exactly that in store and I thought they were the same... Which they probably aren't...

Resistance between 12V and GND on my board is 0.9MOhms and when I am testing for circuit continuity it doesn't show anything (as if there was no closed circuit), I am not sure if that should be so.

When testing desoldered 7805, it shows closed circuit on two pins (middle and right), so it appears to be shorted.

With desoldered 7805 it still shuts off my PS so there is another short somewhere? Or is it the lack of 7805 doing?
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 07, 2016 12:52PM
No, if your board was working okay before, then I don't think either that it's a faulty PCB.

Have you tried removing all stepper drivers, the heatbed and the hotend. Is there still a short? If not, reconnect one by one (always turn off the PS when connecting/disconnecting something) until you find the culprit.

The lack of 7805 will definitely not cause a short.

If you can post some photos of your setup here, maybe we can see some irregularities...
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 08, 2016 03:01AM
Ok so I removed all stepsticks and basically everything from the board and what happened is the moment I turned the PS on, I heard a hissing sound so I disconnected it immediately because hissing electronics cannot be a good thing...
The light on the board didn't turn on.

I attached photos of my board.
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Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 09, 2016 09:45AM
Did you connect the USB before switching on th 12V? (Needed since you removed the 7805.)

I see that you added the Schottky diode at the USB input, but from the photo it looks as if you did not cut the trace, so that the diode would be useless.

Do you still get the hissing sound when you remove the ATmega1284?
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 09, 2016 10:39AM
I have not before, but when turning it on with USB connected there is no hissing but the PS turns off again.

I didn't notice that I should cut the traces, I understand from this picture that I should cut both traces marked? With a sharp knife will be sufficient? [forums.reprap.org]

And yes, with ATmega removed, the hissing is still there.

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/09/2016 10:40AM by Ebdac.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 09, 2016 02:39PM
There is only one trace marked in the picture, and yes you should cut it with a sharp knife.

Could it be that the 1000uF or one the 100uF capacitors became defective?
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 10, 2016 07:51AM
I am losing my mind over this...

I found some ways to check if the capacitor is working (I don't have a multimeter with capacitance measurements) but it's really hard to interpret for me (I am using the resistance mode), sometimes the numbers show multiple times when I measure and sometimes they don't show at all... i checked with capacitors soldered onto my board (both 1000uF and 100uF), anyway on first sight they all seem to be showing infinity so they should be ok...

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/10/2016 07:57AM by Ebdac.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 10, 2016 07:58AM
Did you remove the capacitors from the PCB when measuring them? (They are essentially all connected in parallel, so you cannot measure them individually when soldered on the PCB.)

If you did unsolder them, did you then try if the 12V power supply still switches of when connecting it with USB connected?

Other question: Are you sure that your power supply is not the problem?
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 10, 2016 09:15AM
I removed capacitors now and they seem to work.

When all capacitors were desoldered it still shuts off the PS.

You know after all this I am not sure of anything right now... I will take another PS apart and test it because this is getting ridiculous.
Re: Sanguinololu power problem
October 11, 2016 09:33AM
I got defeated, I resign I have lost my patience and I need to buy a new sanguinololu.

I thought it wouldn't be that hard to fix but I cannot make it work whatever I try and it makes me so mad...

I am sorry to disappoint and thank you so much for everything you tried to do to help.
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